Is higher intellect, or higher spiritual consciousness, of more value to our survival as a species?

A small sample of the conversation regarding the comparative value of the arts or science in education, as well as a sample of a conversation regarding whether higher intellect or higher spiritual consciousness is of more value to our survival as a species, follows.  To read the various entries in the conversation, in full, go to the following link, which is linked to Maureen Downey’s blog, “Get Schooled,” on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: http://getschooled.blog.ajc.com/2015/02/13/opinion-charter-schools-dont-belong-in-new-recovery-district-they-are-already-bound-by-perform-or-close-m

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OldPhysicsTeacher

OldPhysicsTeacher:

MaryElizabethsings, I’m sorry.  I looked at your, and Bernie31’s latest posts and thought you were talking to me.  I just scrolled down to Starik’s statement about how bad Jim Crow schools were and the fact that substandard pay was all teachers deserved, and I went ballistic.  Sorry  A significant amount of our math is due to Arabs.  A significant amount of our scientific knowledge is due to our African American citizens.  And a significant amount of our art, language, indeed, some of the best things of humanity, have been due to our gay community.  I was sick to read that trash.

@OldPhysicsTeacher You’re misstating my point…too many teachers are teaching because they can’t do any other work.  They lack the skills. Raise the standards of the profession and you justify raising the salaries.

How does a teacher teach effectively when they don’t know the subject matter they’re teaching.

MaryElizabethSings

MaryElizabethSings

The statement of inherent intellect seems to resurface from, time to time, on this blog relative to the success of schools and students.  Here is what I wrote to Old Physics Teacher regarding this:

I believe the humanities, not science and math, will ultimately foster more peace on this Earth because we will understand better, through studying the humanities, our commonalities as human beings more than our differences.

Genetics is real.  I have never denied that, and I don’t fight against it.  I am simply stating that intellect is not the criteria for one’s humanity nor for one’s equality.  The soul has more to do with that spiritual understanding than does the intellect, and we both know that one cannot “prove” the existence of the soul.  One may not be able to expand one’s intellect, but one can certainly expand one’s soul, as we have seen in the case of Abraham Lincoln.

Bernie31

Bernie31

@MaryElizabethSings – My Dear as you well know the Old Thinkers always resort to the old Racist argument of “INHERENT INTELLECT”.

Which we all know is a False Flag to cover their INHERENT RACIST RACIST and BIGOTED THINKING! I saw it and ignored it. Not many responded as well for they too saw this another OLD THINKER spouting OLD THINKING VIEWS!

It is nothing but CRAP used to excuse the Inexcusable!

MaryElizabethSings

MaryElizabethSings  

@Bernie31

Bernie, I wanted to respond, though, not so much as a rebuttal to the sad use of the words “inherent intellect” to disparage black people, but mainly because I believe that many people – of all races – have unfortunately come to consider one’s degree of intellect to be what determines one’s “degree” of humanity and equality.  I do not believe those perceptions to have merit, however, and I further believe that those who are consumed with impressing others with their own intellectual capacity, may find that they are limiting themselves in reaching a higher soul consciousness, which transcends the the consciousness of the intellect, alone.

OldPhysicsTeacher

OldPhysicsTeacher

@MaryElizabethSings  Absolutely true, but totally off the subject.  You could just as easily said, “people just need to learn to get along.”  It’s perfectly true, but will not help students to learn what is going to be tested for these ridiculous and totally worthless tests  Once again, I repeat, nothing teachers, politicians, trolls from either party. or administrators will increase the ability to learn of the average student.  No one else in the developed world believes every students can learn enough to get a REAL high school degree – much less the college degree every “educational research” is now proposing.  And we keep making the same mistakes over and over again here because we never learn from history.

MaryElizabethSings

MaryElizabethSing

@OldPhysicsTeacher

I have always stated that every student is unique and learns uniquely, especially regarding rate of learning.  We must address this factor and public schools could improve from within.

The ideas I shared go so much deeper than “people just need to learn to get along.”

OldPhysicsTeacher

OldPhysicsTeacher

@MaryElizabethSings That brought a tear to my eye.  You’re absolutely right, and I “liked” your post and will defend it to my last breath.  BUT, this has nothing to do with what is going on in education.

The point that I have been laboring to make, and every I time I attempt, you “move the goalpost in another direction” is that we cannot get all students to be high school graduates as capable of the high school graduates of the 1970’s.  It ain’t gonna happen. You cannot do this.  There is not enough time or energy in the universe to accomplish it.  This is not hyperbole.  It is the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.

I’m firmly in your court.  I would be pleased, as an administrator or superintendent, to allow you to grade your students as you please and award any diploma to any of your students as you choose without ANY questions and defend your decisions to the hilt!  I am completely convinced any student you passed would make a great citizen.  Unfortunately there are idiots in charge of the schools at the local, board, state, and federal levels who demand that you, me, and every other teacher bring the average student to a higher level.  I KNOW we can’t do this.  I KNOW this is stupid.

MaryElizabethSings

MaryElizabethSings

@OldPhysicsTeacher

We can all bring each student to as high a level as he or she has the potential to go.  This period of history has no bearing on that fact and never has had.  Blacks were suppressed in Jim Crow, which did not end until the 1970s, and schools were not fully integrated until that time.  Perhaps you are remembering simply your own experiences in school in the 1970s and earlier. However, society-at-large, and schools, were different then. Some were still segregated.  Human potential, however, has not changed, and we can still teach each student to his or her maximum ability to learn, just as we could then.  You say you KNOW we can’t do this.  I simply do not agree with that pessimism.

MaryElizabethSings

MaryElizabethSings

@OldPhysicsTeacher

Btw, thank you for the personal compliment to me.

OldPhysicsTeacher

OldPhysicsTeacher

@MaryElizabethSings @OldPhysicsTeacher  I’ll have to respond tomorrow.  My laptop is having trouble interfacing with the software on this site.  I’ve spent the past hour writing up an impassioned plea for understanding from the scientific side of the profession to the Liberal Arts side of the profession.  It went into 5 paragraphs… with pictures 🙂 and between the AJC site and my software it disappeared.  I’m tired and it’s late.  I write it over tomorrow in Word and copy and paste.

Just let me say, read it in its entirety before you respond.  I apparently haven’t worded my position well before and I want to make sure I translate science speak into  “artist speak.”

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Words I posted on Jay Bookman’s blog on June 26, 2017, for another poster on Jay Bookman’s blog to ponder:

“Do you think that the consciousness of the American society toward gays has become more elevated in the past 30 years? I believe the answer to that question would be ‘Yes.’

Since that is true, then can you not make the connection that raising the consciousness of the society eventually affects the voting public’s choices, such as equality under the law for marriage between people of the same sex? Or, the equality of black people to white people? Or, the right of women to vote as men had done before them?

All those are examples of a change in the consciousness of a society which even affects the members of the U. S. Congress, and even the President of the United States. That consciousness does not happen in a matter of four years or even a decade. Sometimes it takes centuries.”

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